Why You Shouldn’t Speak Your Learning Language With Anyone Other Than Native Speakers

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As I’ve mentioned previously, I am giving myself the challenge of being able to have a proper conversation in German before the summer. In order to boost myself in this, I go to German Facebook meetup every week. Forcing myself to speak German with these people (or, more often than not, forcing people to suffer my German) helps me get the chance to use the language I learn whilst studying. I am ridiculously bad at German. I can barely string a sentence together. But it helps.

However, there is one guy there who is not German. He’s a very nice guy, very welcoming and friendly. But he stands in the way of my German learning, and here is why. When you are pretty good at a language, and you meet someone else also studying that language, then you feel the need to take them under your wing. When I speak with him he’ll use a range of expressions to try to stretch my learning experience. At my level, this isn’t really helpful. With a native speaker, their aim would not be to nurture you, but to have a conversation with you and to be understood by you. Helpful Non-Native’s aim is to show you just how much they know, and try to pave the path of your linguistic learning. But all it ends up doing (to me, at least) is frustrate me as it’s not natural, it’s not helping me and it’s a little off-putting since they are showing off so much I feel lost in my own abysmal level.

If you are a learner who is pretty good at the language, Helpful Non-Native turns into Competitive Non-Native. I find this happens A LOT with Japanese. When you meet someone new in Japan, people like to size you up and see where you are on the scale, to see if you are better or worse than them at Japanese. When I was at uni, I was ridiculously competitive, to the point that I turned into a not very nice person. But once I got into JET, I chilled out a bit. But I noticed the competitive streak in other people I met… they’d mention some Japanese just to test out how much I knew, or even worse, just come out and speak Japanese to me straight off. I don’t know about other languages but it is a real faux pas to speak in Japanese to non-Japanese people unless there is a good reason, ie it’s at a language event or if there’s a Japanese person who can’t speak English there.

So for someone who is learning a language, having someone who is trying to push you along, show how much they know, someone who is trying to show their superiority is not going to be helpful in your quest to learn a language – whether they mean it or not. A native speaker has no hidden agenda, and won’t throw you linguistic blue shells to try and trip you up, either. You’re not distracted by their level because they’re a native speaker and you’re not aiming to be like them any time soon, either.

Does anyone else feel this too? In other languages is there a competitive feeling when meeting a new person?

This is a “write thoughts down” kind of blog post so let’s see if we can get some kind of discussion going!

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12 Comments to “Why You Shouldn’t Speak Your Learning Language With Anyone Other Than Native Speakers”

  1. I totally experienced the whole “my japanese is better than your japanese” thing, not so much at uni because my fellow japanese students were pretty awesome, but a bit on study abroad with randoms. All a bit silly really. I really didn’t speak Japanese much out loud until study abroad when I made native friends- I had no confidence in my spoken ability before that point, and took full advantage of living in Japan to improve it. Of course at uni I was paired up to chat with fellow students of the language, but that wasn’t much use as often there wasn’t a good balance in ability levels or self-consciousness simply got in the way. The best way to improve conversational skills is to chat with a native, I think.

  2. Thanks for raising this issue! :)

    There are definitely a lot of douche bags out there who turn language learning into a competition. I’ve experienced this as well.

    However, I wouldn’t say everyone’s like this.

    I’ve had some pretty cool discussions with non-natives in other languages before and sometimes they’ll notice things that you don’t and vice-versa so it can be beneficial for both of you.

  3. I think speaking your learning language with other non-natives can be helpful. Non-native learners can find other ways to explain grammar points that you are having trouble with, or point out potential pitfalls ‘You’d think you can use Xword in this way, but actually you have to use Yword.’
    However what you are talking about is not just a non-native speaker but a jerky non-native speaker and let’s emphasise the jerkiness over the non-native speakerness.

    I can relate though, I did feel competitive about Japanese when I was abroad and maybe I did feel a bit smug about my abilities (such as they were).
    As to why this competitiveness comes with Japanese non-native speakers, when I am encountering plenty of nice, helpful non-native Korean speakers that help me out…. I think it’s part of why people choose Japan. It’s like flashing your geek credentials. I’m such a Japanophile I passed the JLPT Level 2 and I’m studying for Level 1 now…
    Other countries don’t attract the same kind of people….?

    Bit of a random thoughts comment – sowwy if I’m difficult to follow.

  4. Haha I know exactly what (and I bet who) you are talking about! I think I am going to try and come next time…but now you are scaring me off. I hope you keep giving it a try.

  5. Pretty interesting though process! I haven’t experienced this before but then again, I am a native in both German and English. However, I have experienced a German girl once trying to test out my American accent and talking to me non-stop – annoying!! So I can sorta imagine how it must feel for others.

    I used to be mediocre in French and I am still a beginner in Spanish. Everyone speaks Spanish in New York, though, and those who don’t, do not care to compete with you in this language ( I call it laziness)…

  6. That’s an interesting take on competitiveness in language learning… I haven’t come across this particular issue myself. However, the issue I’m having with speaking to non-native speakers of a language that I’m trying to learn is that I’m worried about “embedding” things in my brain that are wrong. It’s really hard for non-native speakers to get the prepositions right, for example. Even if somebody is very competent, if you listen to them for long enough, that’s where they’ll make a mistake. I want to learn from competent speakers. If you’re a bare beginner, it’s not that important, but once you push past intermediate level, it matters a great deal. To me at least ;-) Having said that, not all native speakers make good teachers. Some have very little awareness of their own language. I’m not talking about explaining complex grammar points, that’s something only a trained teacher can do. But many have real trouble adapting their language to your level. They don’t realise, for example, when they are using an expression that means nothing to somebody who’s still at the stage where they are translating word-for-word in their head.
    German… I’m a native German speaker, and I’ve never heard a ‘foreigner’ speak it perfectly, unless they moved there as a child. The case system, the genders, the verbs… it’s so much harder than English, though the two are closely related. But I don’t need to tell you that. Stick to natives. Perseverance and exposure are key. Good luck with the June goal!

    • Thank you very much!
      I don’t think I’ll ever be fluent in German – I’d just like to be high conversational. As with Japanese, my goal in German is to make friends with local people here. I hope my German can help me in that soon!

      • You don’t have to speak a language perfectly (i.e. devoid of any errors) to be fluent. And, to my mind, to be ‘highly conversational’ equates to being fluent. You’ve done it once before, and you can do it again, I’m sure ;-)

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